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What If There Were No God?

January 8, 2007

The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. Psalm 14:1; Psalm 53:1

What if the fool were right? What if there were no God?

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

Consider the idea that every thing that is good in our lives is from God. Every thing that is good in anyone’s life is from God. You may have met someone that said they just wanted God to leave them alone. Some people do not want God in their lives, they think. They say things like, “If there really is a God, why do these terrible things happen to me?” The truth is that any good thing that has happened in any one person’s life is because there is a God, and all those good things came from God.

And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. Colossians 1:17Â

The world itself was first, created by him but also is sustained by Him. The physical universe we live in would be destroyed, would destroy us if not sustained by God. God, in His goodness sends rain on the just and the unjust (Matthew 5:45). Everyone–Christian, Jew, Muslim, heathen, or pagan–enjoys the goodness of God They do so regardless of whether they admit His existence or not.

We can appreciate material blessings, spiritual blessings, emotional blessings, physical blessings, social blessings, and we do so because there is a God. Someone may be reading this and thinking, “I still don’t think there is a God.” The Bible says that He is the God of all comfort (2 Corinthians 1:3). If you are comfortable in any way, it is because there is a God in heaven that allows your comfort and gives you that comfort. If you have a comfortable lifestyle, it is because there is a God in heaven. If you have physical comfort, it is because there is a God in heaven. If you have spiritual comfort, it is because there is a God in heaven. Lamentations 3:22-23 says,

It is of the Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed, because His compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is Thy faithfulness.

If it were not for God, we would all be consumed–destroyed! If there were no God, Every where would be HELL.

Or despisest thou the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Romans 2:4

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent. Acts 17:30

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  1. January 8, 2007 at 4:54 am

    This post is absolutely true. I recently wrote an article about “What if Christ had not come?” It was sort of geared around the theme of Christmas, but many of my points were very similar in nature to those points found in this post.

    We cannot even begin to imagine how different our lives would be if we did not have God watching over us and sheding his grace on us on a day-to-day basis. God is even patient and loving to lost people in ways that they don’t realize. He is truly a wonderful God and everything good does come from Him. Great post!

  2. January 8, 2007 at 7:20 am

    Amen.

    I’ve had people tell me, “If there is a God then I’ll believe in Him if He’ll do ______________” My response is that He already created all things, including them, and sent His Son to die for their sins and rise again. He doesn’t owe them anything and certainly not a little parlor-trick. I thank the Lord that “he is longsuffering to us-ward.”

  3. January 8, 2007 at 8:42 am

    The idea is an interesting thought. I would point out some of the presuppositions made in both the post and the comments:

    1) Jeff presupposes the truth of Scripture.
    2) Jeff presupposes that there is reason.
    3) Jeff presupposes that there is good.
    4) Jeff presupposes that there is comfort.
    5) Jeff presupposes that there is evil.
    6) Nicholas presupposes that we can imagine. and…
    7) Bobby presupposes that God created (as Jeff did).

    I was pointing out that everyone presupposes in a recent service, which happened also to be attended by a Mormon (this happens fairly regularly here). I pointed out, in the course of the discourse, the presuppositions Mormons make. This infuriated our guest. I did not say anything slanderous — merely pointed out that Mormons presuppose that they have a living prophet, that Joseph Smith is a true prophet, that the book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. I pointed out that you can show Mormons mountains of evidence to the contrary on each of these points, but that will not sway them.

    She called it “Mormon-bashing”. I wonder if our repulsion at the idea of “presupposition” is not evidence of our damnable nature and human pride.

  4. January 8, 2007 at 8:51 am

    When I was sitting in Sunday school I was comtemplating what you said. the first thing that came to my mind was the movie “As Good As It Gets.” Now I know this is a rated R movie so let me put a disclaimer that I watched it as an assignment for my pyschiatric nursing class, it really eleborates what Obsessive-compulsive disorder is really like.

    It made me think what if this really is “as good as it gets”? What if the air we breathe really isn’t good, what if the food we eat, the house we live in, even our health really isn’t good? What if there is so much more out there but we are limited to it, because we believe in God?
    What if we actually can’t define what Good is? We really don’t know what it is, we just think we do.

    I know the purpose of the lesson was to teach us to be thankful to God, but it actually placed a huge doubt over my head. The doubt being what if there was no God, and this is “As Good as it Gets.”

  5. January 8, 2007 at 10:25 am

    If this is “as good as it gets”, then there is such a thing as good. If there is such a thing as good, then there is such a thing as evil. If there is such a thing as good and evil, then good and evil came from somewhere. Good and evil could not simply have happened. There must be a Good that caused all that is good. God is good. God causes all that is good.

    Pardon my feeble attempt. Backing into the argument…

  6. January 8, 2007 at 11:35 am

    PM “There must be a Good that caused all that is good. God is good. God causes all that is good.” With that rationale, the God causes all evil too?

    I’m not trying to start an arugument, I just have questions. I’m saying that after listening to the lesson, I actually came out doubting the existence of God, instead glorifying in His existence.

  7. January 8, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    PM Think of it this way, if this is as good as it gets, and it is not good, we can’t even fathom what good is. Then where is God? Is there a God? Or is just some type of myth man made to get that warm and comfy feeling inside.

    Let me also so I am not saying there isn’t a God, and that God isn’t Good. I am just saying that doubt did protude when the lesson was taught.

  8. January 8, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    First, evil exists. That might seem like a strange starting point, but then again, there has been considerable debate on that issue, especially when people try to justify sinful behavior. Relativism asks how we can know that one thing is good while another is evil. “Who is to say that it isn’t the other way around.”

    But the same person will turn around and complain about all the evil in the world. We can’t have it both ways. Either there is evil, or there isn’t. If there is no evil in the world, then what are we complaining about? If there is evil, then it is a particular thing, and it came from somewhere.

    Secondly, evil is not an independent power. Good and evil are not equal and competing powers. But only in a Christian worldview do we have any hope for the “right to prevail and the wrong to fail.” Outside of Biblical Christianity, there can be no hope in the battle against evil. Besides, apart from Biblical Christianity, there really is not any good reason to call something evil in the first place. If they claim that evil exists, they have no means of combatting it, but on the other hand, if they deny that truth exists, then they have no means of identifying it (evil, that is).

    Evil exists. Whether God caused it or allowed it, we know that God controls it. And only believers have any hope for overcoming it… and that hope rests on Jesus Christ. Apart from this understanding, we are in a hopeless place, and a hopeless condition. Christ has defeated and will defeat evil.

    I would remind you that believers are sanctified by the truth (John 17:17). In other words, the truth sets us apart from the rest of the world. Particularly, our relationship to the truth. What sets us apart from the rest of the world is our faith and obedience to the truth.

    Armed with the truth, we are able to confront these hard questions, and make sense of them. Apart from the truth, we are left in despair and hopelessness, like the hopelessness promoted in the academic world and in movies such as “As good as it gets”.

  9. January 8, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Thhank You Pastor Mallinak for your detail explanation. It is a liitle less confusing now

  10. January 8, 2007 at 10:13 pm

    This pot can’t fathom no Potter.

  11. January 9, 2007 at 4:49 am

    It really is a thought that you can’t “wrap your brain around.”

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