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Jack Hyles: The Enemy of Soulwinning (part two)

October 17, 2007

In his book, No Little People, Francis Schaeffer quotes Ephesians 6:10-18, and then makes these comments (p. 72):

There is nothing in this list that the world accepts as a way of working, but there are no other ways to fight the spiritual battle. . . . [I]f we fight the world with copies of its own weapons, we will fail, because the Devil will honor these with his own, but our Lord will not honor these with us, for that does not give Him the glory.  They may bring some results—activism does have its results—but they will not be the ones the Lord wants.  Our hands will be empty of honor from God because He will not be getting the glory.  We must not try to serve the Lord with our own kind of humanism and egoism. . . . In this war if Christians win a battle by using worldly means, they have really lost.  On the other hand, when we seem to lose a battle while waiting on God, in reality we have won.  The world may mistakenly say, “They have lost.”

Jack Hyles and Jack Schaap will say that they have won, and if you have limited yourself to Biblical teaching and methods, but are smaller than them, you have lost.  Don’t believe it.  The enemies of soulwinning are the enemies of Scriptural doctrine, a true gospel, and how God told us to do it in His Word.  We will continue seeing how that Hyles and Schaap are the enemies of genuine evangelism based on the book Hyles wrote in 1993 entitled, Enemies of Soulwinning.

The Doctrine of Repentance

Hyles argues repentance out of the gospel by means of circular reasoning.  This chapter does not read like Hyles wants to find out what Scripture says about salvation.  He doesn’t go into texts about repentance and exegete them.   Something that may seem insignificant, but it isn’t, is what Hyles stresses as important in salvation.  His salvation doesn’t center on the glory of God.  God’s offense with sin doesn’t seem to be a big issue to him.  He writes:

Anything that deals with the way a person can escape the fires of eternal Hell and go to Heaven to live forever is of vital importance.

You might see that as nit-picky.  I hope not.  We are saved to glorify God, to please Him, not just to avoid hell.  I’m not saying Hyles wouldn’t have agreed with that; it’s just that it isn’t what he himself saw of first importance.  He’s more concerned about what happens to us than what our salvation means to God.  This will effect everything in an evaluation of the gospel.

Hyles starts this chapter by asking, “Is repentance necessary for salvation?”  He should be able to answer immediately and eagerly, “Yes!”  He doesn’t.  In a presentation on repentance, he starts:  “First, we need to find what makes one lost.”  And what does Hyles say that is?  Not believing.  He writes:  “. . . not believing is what makes a person lost.”  Before not believing became a problem, the issue of lostness centered on sin.   Jesus was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities.  We are lost because we are gone astray.  What is going astray?  It is sin.

Hyles uses John 3:18 and says, “It is very plain here that what condemns a person is believing not.”  Is that what John 3:18 says?  It says, “He that believeth not is condemned.”  A person who does not believe is condemned, but he is condemned because of his sin.

Hyles continues:

Notice Isaiah 53:6, “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” Especially notice the words, “we have turned every one to his own way.” That’s what not being saved is – turning to our own way. Now if we turn to God’s way, which is putting our faith and trust in Jesus, we turn around from going our own way to going His way, from unbelief to belief. This is Bible repentance. Bear in mind, it is the faith that saves. The turning around is necessary in order to put our faith in Christ. One must repent from that thing that keeps him from being saved in order to be saved.

Because Hyles starts with John 3:18 in order to define repentance, a verse that says nothing about repentance, he gets this skewed definition of repentance.  Sheep have gone astray and need to turn to God’s way.  He says that going astray is unbelief.   Why?  Because of what John 3:18 says. In the context of Isaiah 53, however, it is iniquity and transgressions that describe the way of the sheep.  The sheep going his own way is doing his own thing, living like He wants.  If someone believes in Jesus Christ, he’s got to turn from that.  He won’t believe in Jesus if he doesn’t, and, of course, he won’t turn if he doesn’t believe.  Repentance and faith go together.  Paul testified to the Jews and the Greeks (Acts 20:21):

[R]epentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Nowhere does Scripture teach us that repentance is “turning from your unbelief.”  Hyles attempts to argue this point by writing this:

If a person were saved by good works, then he would have to repent of bad works, or of not doing good works, in order to be saved. If a person were saved by quitting his sinning, then he would have to repent of his sinning in order to be saved.

Do you think that someone needs to repent of bad works in order to be saved?  I do.  What are bad works?  Bad works are sin.  Does that mean that someone is saved by doing good works?  Of course not.   Repentance of bad works doesn’t necessitate salvation by good works.  He tweaks that a little in the next sentence, saying essentially that those who believe repentance is repentance of sin must believe that salvation must come by means of “quitting his sinning.”  Hyles’ words intimate that this is works.  But repentance of sin isn’t a work.  Acts 11:18 says:

Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Repentance is a gift of God’s grace.  God enables men to quit sinning as a lifestyle.  To help make his point, Hyles argues this strawman:

If a person needs to turn from his sins in order to be saved, what sins does he turn from? Does he turn from pride? Does he turn from selfishness? Does he turn from covetousness? The truth is, nobody can turn from all of his sins until he is raptured and he receives a body like the body of the Saviour.

Do you see how that Hyles very subtly shifts from the word “sin” to “sins”?  He turns repentance from sin to repentance from sins to make this viewpoint a matter of reform or personally cleaning up one’s own life.  Repenting of sin isn’t any of that.  No one says that someone must turn one-by-one from each individual sin.  Scripture, however, says that sins are the issue in repentance.  Luke 24:47 reads:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Hyles says that repentance is directed at believers, already saved people.  What about the great salvation verse, Isaiah 55:7?

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

The wicked turns from his unrighteous way, the wrong direction, one of sin and self-will.  Jesus said it this way in Matthew 16:25, 26:

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.  For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Someone must give up his life or lose it.   It is an unbeliever.  He must turn from his life, his way, which in essence is to turn from his idols.  1 Thessalonians 1:9 says:

For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God.

Jack Hyles’ perversion of repentance alters the gospel of Jesus Christ.  Repentance isn’t just turning from unbelief to belief.  Repentance isn’t just turning from the thing that keeps you from getting saved.  Repentance relates to God.  We turn from ourselves to Him, from idols to Him, and from our sins to Him.  By faith we leave the old life for a new one, one that was about us and what we wanted to one that is about Him and what He wants.  So what does Scripture say about those who corrupt the gospel?  Galatians 1:8-9 says:

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

We say to Hyles, “Let him be accursed.”  He preaches a false gospel.  Without repentance over this false gospel, we do not fellowship with Hyles or those who fellowship with him.   Curtis Hutson taught the same thing as Hyles about repentance.   He also stood with Hyles in the midst of absolute knowledge of his disqualifying sin.  He preached the same false teaching about repentance.   Despite this, many continue to tie themselves to Curtis Hutson and Hyles’ false gospel.  Many others were influenced.  Jack Hyles continues to be an enemy of genuine evangelism.

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  1. Matt Conrad
    October 19, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    Great post! I had a Hyles guy visit my church and afterwards we were discussing this very issue. He accused me of believing in works salvation and said I wasn’t saved. He denounced me as a heretic and said I preached Lordship salvation. But, wait a second, doesn’t someone have to confess him as Lord to be saved? I believe you’re right on when you say it is a false gospel. Consider Charles Spurgeon on this very subject:

    “Do you imagine that the gospel is magnified, or God glorified by going to the worldings and telling them that they may be saved at this moment by simply accepting Christ as their Saviour, while they are wedded to their idols and their hearts are still in love with sin? If I do so, I tell them a lie, pervert the gospel, insult Christ, and turn the grace of God into lasciviousness.”

    Brethren, that’s exactly what people do that follow the Hyles’ philosophy, and I appreciate your call to seperate from that false teaching and those who embrace it. God bless you for this timely warning!

  2. jeff
    November 2, 2007 at 12:48 pm

    All fundamentalist do is argue.

  3. November 2, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    Ha, ha, Jeff! You must be a fundamentalist – seems you are a bit argumentative too!

    P.S. Better to contend for the faith like the Bible commands us to, then to be so wishy-washy that anything goes.

    The true believer must swim upstream in corrupt, modern Christendom – when you are going with the flow, there is a problem! If what you believe doesn’t create division when you stand on it, then perhaps you are not standing on truth!!

  4. November 5, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    Amen!

    Thank you for exposing Jack Hyles and his false gospel. May he repent of this wickedness!

    Matthew 3:8
    Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

    And for Jeff:

    1 Corinthians 2:15
    But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    Jude 1:3
    Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    We must earnestly contend!

    Isa 58:1
    Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

    http://www.sparenot.org

  5. Michael Marshall
    November 5, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    Jeff, the Lord said that we must earnestly contend for the faith. I do not know how to contend without being contentious.

    Second, I am not a fundamentalist. I am not associated with the majority of those who are in that movement. I am not involved in a movement. I am a BAPTIST, and I hold the historic doctrinal positions that they held. No, they were not all called Baptists, but they clearly held the same doctrinal positions that I do, and they were all known for being, well, contentions. John the Baptist was quite contentious. It comes with the territory.

  6. Michael Marshall
    November 5, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    Moderators, If I knew (and I do) the person behind the Repentance Blacklist, would you object to me posting his name, church name, address, etc?

  7. November 5, 2007 at 7:28 pm

    His name has already been posted in several blog posts/comments. People can see Anderson’s church address and contact info by visiting his websites (his church site is linked from the Repentance Blacklist page).

  8. HammerJacks Blacklisted Donkey
    December 9, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    The great salvation verse…..Isa.55:7 Notice in this verse it says “return” or turnback unto the Lord which shows they already had a relationship with God,the issue is then a backslider.Not to dismiss the clear teaching that one needs to turn from sins but also not to teach that it is a condition to salvation.( unto eternal life)
    The key to this is found in verse 3 “Incline your ear,and come unto me:hear” Hear what?………..”But we preach Christ crucified”…”For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also recieved,how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;And that he was buried,and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”….”But they have not obeyed the gospel,For as Isaiah saith,Lord,who hath BELIEVED our report?…”Sirs,what must I do to be saved?….BELIEVE and thou shalt be saved”……”Dost thou BELIEVE on the son of man?”

    You BELIEVE that you must turn from sin to be saved.
    I BELIEVE that you must first BELIEVE the gospel then you are saved and given the power to turn from sin…”For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVETH”
    Both your FAITH and mine,one must first BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!
    1 Thess. 5:21 “Prove all things,hold fast that which is good”…; “hearken diligently unto me,and eat ye that which is good”..; “taste and see that the Lord is good”…………………….
    “Earnestly contend for the FAITH” (WOW! God even commands us to contend for ‘BELIEF”

    Repent of your unbelief and your false doctrine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. Zo
    January 16, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Donkey,
    Dont know if this blog is still going or if you will read this.
    Heres a scenario for you.
    You commit adultery on your wife and she finds out. If you are truly sorry about it, want to be forgiven and have your relationship restored what will you do?

    A) Have your friend go with you to your house, knock on the door and when your wife answers the door, your friend says “Wife this is your husband, husband this is your wife, now husband repeat this after me “Dear wife, I am sorry for commiting adultery…….”

    B) You go to your wife and say “Honey I know I committed adultery and I just want to tell you that I believe in you!”

    C) You go to your wife and say “Honey, I am very sorry for committing adultery, please forgive me, but I really dont have any intention of stopping this behaviour”

    D) You go to your wife and say “Honey, I am very sorry for committing adultery, please forgive me” But in your pocket you still have some phone numbers of some girls you are interested in and will arrange to meet them if the opportunity arises.

    E) You go to your wife and say “Honey, I am very sorry for committing adultery, please, I beg you to forgive me, I know I dont deserve it and if I have to suffer the consequences I will, but please please forgive me. I want to restore my relationship to you and I never ever want to do that again!”

    Which of these responses demonstrates that the offender acknowleges the seriousness of the situation, confessess to the enormous gravity of his crime, cares about how hurtful the offense has been on his wife, genuinely desires to have his relationship restored and truly intends on never committing the crime again?

    In the same manner, man has personaly sinned (10 Commandments among many other sins) against a Holy, Righteous, Just, Loving and Good God. His trangressions are heineous crimes that have offended his Creator and Sustainer. He deserves to have the Holy Wrath of God be poured on him for eternity in hell. He has lived as an outright rebellious enemy against a Good, Merciful, Gracious God whom deserves our obedience, worship, praise, love and devotion.
    But yet God has demostrated his mercy in that He does not squash the sinner each and every time he sins, though he deserves it and would be just to do so. And he has given him numerous good gifts in life including life itself, eyesight, each breath, hearing, etc (innumerable gifts that vary between each person). And to top it all off God has demonstrated his Ultimate Gracious Love in sending His Son, Our Lord Jesus, to suffer and die a horrible death on the cross, to bear our sins, endure Gods Wrath, and satisfy Gods requirement of a perfect atoning sacrifice. Then to be buried and rise victoriously from the dead to provide to mankind the gift of eternal life and bring the ultimate Glory to God who provided salvation and gets all the Glory for every soul He Saves.

    Now….. when the gospel is understood biblically along with the nature of God and the depravity of man, its not unreasonable that God desires and requires that we repent and we believe the Gospel to be regenerated and make peace with God.

    So what is biblical repentance and faith?

    Repentance – a change of mind that results in a change in behavior(acknowledge, confess, be sorrowful, ask for forgivenss, desire to change direction and be changed by God) (To collapse at before God in desperation and helplessness)

    Faith (Belief) – to trust completely, soley, indefinitely in the finished work and sacrifice of Christ on the cross, in his shed blood for the forgiveness of sins and nothing else, no self righteous works

    Unbelief (technically is a sin) and is one of the many sins that need to be repented of.

    I assume you know your bible basics and you can find the biblical support for this. If you want scriptural support for the content of this email I will gladly provide it.

    Now the question is…Did you repent to be saved? Did you see the gravity of your sins and the holiness of God whom you sinned against? Can you honestly and in good conscience spread an unrepentant gospel message when Peter, Paul, Jesus and God commanded people to repent? Is your loyalty to Hylesology or the Bible?

  10. Jack R.
    January 16, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Zo,

    The First Baptist Church members DO believe in repentance. The aisles are full of people repenting and trusting Christ in every service. Dr. Hyles has NEVER said that he doesn’t believe in repentance. He claimed that it is of utmost importance, which Jackhammers do not tell you. He had often preached repentance from the pulpit. Dr. Hyles believed every word in the Bible. *Even the jots and tittles.

    If FBC didn’t believe in repentance, I am certain there wouldn’t be over 8,000 IFB PASTOR’S (from every state and many foreign countries) going to their Pastor School. There is even one Jackhammer on here, that boasts about one of his visits. Do you think he would visit, if they took out something as important as repentance?

    A simple phone call, can answer any questions you may have. They also have a wonderful web-site.

  11. January 16, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Zo,

    We don’t allow “donkey” to post on here any more. But I did enjoy your post, and think you did a great job identifying the problem with the “no repentance” position.

    Jack R., we link to Jack Hyles book, to the very chapter in that book (The Enemies of Soul Winning) in which he denies that one must repent of his sins as a part of his salvation.

    You will need to demonstrate to us that you have true “inside information” (i.e. that you are a staff member close enough to the top to truly know) before we will believe you that Hyles teaches that repentance is a part of salvation. Because Hyles taught otherwise, and we have demonstrated that.

    Why don’t you find some quotes and sorta quote ’em for us, you know, documented and all that fun stuff, since you are denying what has been common knowledge for some years now.

  12. Zo
    January 17, 2008 at 7:00 am

    Jack R,
    As far as I know the Hyles Unrepentant Gospel is still being preached out of First Baptist in Hammond and at Hyles Bible College. And even worse, there have been many students sent out from that college that have bought into Hylesology and many that dont know the fellow or the his church, have just listened to a couple of his sermons (along with Hutson, Schaap, Capaci and others alike) and have given their loyalties to the philosophies of this teaching.
    We just left a church of a young former Hyles graduate preacher whom stubbornly held on to this quick prayerism numbers focused watered down gospel. We met several times to discuss repentance and faith leading to genuine conversion. Each time he would put up straw men, dodge clear bible scriptures, modify his definition of repentance and cling to a couple of verses to support his view.
    We encountered the typical Hyles system and Hyles results. Short to no evangelism training, quick shallow gospel presentations, persuasive decision making, leading everyone (regardless of conviction or interest) in repetitious sinners prayers, confirming their salvation, convincing them they are saved based on their prayer, meeting back to brag on the number of souls saved, keeping track of numbers and bragging in church about them, never see them attend church, upon follow up they show no interest in the things of God or even remember the visit or their prayer.
    This has been horrible detriment to the cause of Christ. Many become innoculated to the gospel and keep their salvation confidence on that one time in the past when they prayed a sinners prayer. And the sad thing is that most of these preacher boys dont see the harm they are doing to peoples souls. They are more interested in chalking up another and maintaining their loyalty to a man and a system.
    We cannot manipulate salvations. Genuine conversion is of the Lord!
    We must preach the biblical gospel and depend on God to bring forth the increase!

    Psalm 37:39: But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.

    Jonah 2:9: But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

    John 1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:13: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

    • Josh
      March 27, 2010 at 9:38 pm

      Zo,

      Just a quick question. When you said Capaci, along with Hutson and Schaap, were you refering to Eric Capaci?

  13. January 17, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Zo,

    Nothing to add to what you said. It was like an echo in my brain. We love these people; that’s why we write what we do. They do the same kind of circle-the-wagons, close ranks, cowboy-up defense mode, protecting a false gospel. This looks like their methods and movement are bigger than God to them.

  14. Jack R.
    January 17, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    I have never heard of this “Hyles Unrepentant Gospel”. Many, many pastor’s around this country haven’t heard of this either (graduates and non-graduates included). Like I have said before, a simple phone call might help you with this. I wouldn’t listen to men who don’t really know FBC or HAC.

    Here are a few quotes from Dr. Hyles:

    “Over and over again the question is asked me, “Is repentance necessary for salvation?” Of course, this is of utmost importance. Anything that deals with the way a person can escape the fires of Hell and go to Heaven to live forever is of vital importance.”

    *Why did Jackhammer leave out the “Utmost importance”???

    Next quotes:

    “I am certainly for separation and for living a godly life, but the cleansing of our lives is not done by us any more than salvation is done by us. Salvation is simply repenting of unbelief, and believing, and letting Christ save us. We yield to Him to save us; He does! Immedietly the Holy Spirit comes in to live. The Holy Spirit begins His work of cleansing in our lives. He is the one Who cleanses, just as He is the one who saves us.”

    “When we put our faith and trust in Christ, and repent of unbelief, and believe, God’s Holy Spirit comes in to live and begins to straighten us out. He points out our sins, and as we yield to Him, He cleanses us from our sins. If we misbehave on the journey, we are still going to Heaven, because we go to Heaven by trusting Christ to take us there.

    “The truth is, one is cleansed from the sins of the flesh just as he is saved; by yielding to the Holy Spirit and letting Him do His work.”

  15. January 17, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    I read the book and it doesn’t take a genius to see that Hyles doesn’t actually answer the question. If you believe in repentance for salvation, you answer, “Yes.” Not, “Of course, this is of utmost importance.” The subject, the question, is very important to Hyles, not repentance itself. It is easy to see that this is what he is saying, and from reading what he writes, the subject is important to mangle so that someone can keep doing the same skewed methodology.

    I appreciate you showing us something, but again, in the other quotes, “repenting of unbelief, and believing.” In other words, start believing. Repentance is not turning from unbelief. If you say “repentance and faith,” you don’t mean, “repentance of no faith and faith.” If I said justification is through faith in Christ and “faith” was “opening a jar of peanut butter,” then I haven’t really believed. It isn’t repentance anymore once Hyles is done dealing with it. Personally, I think you know this and I showed it clearly in my post, but I believe you are choosing to play games instead of open your eyes.

  16. Zo
    January 17, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Jack R,

    I have not been to FBCH or HAC, but I have met several people from there. I have been to several churches pastored by pastors that graduated from there. I have been out on “soul winning marathons” (unfortunately) with graduates from there. I have listened to their singing tour groups and preachers. I have read a few of Hyles and Hutsons books. I have also listened to some of their sermons. They all resonate with the same unrepentant smell.

    Most of these pastors have carried on with them the teachings of Hyles in regards to repentance, faith and salvation. The majority of the people coming out of FBCH and HAC have been indoctrinated into believing that repentance of sins has nothing to do with salvation. They redefine biblical saving repentance to be repentance of unbelief or deceitfully twist the meaning (depending on the day of the week and their audience).

    As I mentioned before, unbelief techinically is a sin. So when a person repents of unbelief they are repenting of sin. But that is not the only sin that a person is to repent of. They are to repent of their personal sins and sin in general. They are to view thier sins as a Holy God views them in light of His Perfect Law. They are to see the wretchedness of their own heart.

    Repentance and faith are not the same thing, although they are very closely intertwined. They are the two wings that fly you to heaven, two sides of the same coin.

    Mark 1:15: And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

    Acts 20:21: Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Why list them separately if they are the same thing. Repentance requires a turning. It is a turning from sin to Christ. Faith is a trusting..a trusting in the sacrifice of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Repentance has to do with our attitude towards sin, self and God. Faith has to do with our dependance and trust in Christ.

    I agree that we can not clean ourselves up first. We can try to reform ourselves, but that has nothing to do with atoning for our sins. Only the blood of Christ can wash away our sins and its only through the power of the Holy Spirit indwelling a regenerated born again believer that a person can be sanctified and be freed from the power of sin. However, we can not be pardoned for our sin if we stubbornly hold on to it. We can not embrace the Savior with one arm and yet with the other arm be joyfully joined in pleasure with the wicked sins that put Him on the cross.

    You need to re-read some of Hyles books or re-listen to some of His sermons, as well as the many thousands of Hylot Pastors nationwide. If you compare their teachings on repentance and salvation to scripture you will see that they have departed from clear bible doctrine. Why do you think he calls repentance the enemy of soul winning? Because true biblical repentace will not produce the quick, instant, number-driven prayers that the shallow Hyles repentance does. And when we want to exalt ourselves among men….large numbers are beautiful!

  17. Jack R.
    January 17, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Zo,

    You are right. Repentance does require a turning (a turning from unbelief to belief). Wouldn’t this result in a turn of heart and mind? If their wasn’t a need for repentance it wouldn’t be in the Bible, and Hyles-Anderson teaches all of the Bible–not just pieces of it.

    You said, “Why do you think he calls repentance the enemy of soul-winning?” He does not call repentance the enemy. He calls MISUNDERSTOOD repentance, the enemy of soul winning. I have never heard any FBC member or Dr. Hyles say that repentance isn’t necessary for salvation. As said before, their aisles are full of people repenting and trusting in Christ every Sunday.

    A quote from Dr. Hyles:

    “The Spirit first convicts us of our SIN of unbelief to bring us to Christ. Once He brings us to Christ, He comes in us to live.”

    Romans 8:9, “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

    I Corinthians 6:19,20, “What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.”

    “Then when the Holy Spirit is in us, He begins to convict us of things in our lives that should be changed. Then the Christian life becomes a constant repenting until we wake in the likeness of Christ.”

    *HMMM! This sounds like something you have just said.

  18. January 17, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    A question, Jack R. Do you believe that repentance is an enemy of soulwinning?

  19. January 18, 2008 at 5:50 am

    Jack R,

    You quoted Jack Hyles:

    “The Spirit first convicts us of our SIN of unbelief to bring us to Christ.”

    Galatians says the law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. I am not sure how to reconcile those.

    Also, when God saved me, I was convicted of being rebellious, of being a liar, thief, murderer, adulterer, disobedient to my parents, etc. – if not in action at least in heart. I don’t recall being convicted of unbelief. I do remember repenting and trusting Christ.

    Since I was not convicted of unbelief, am I saved?

  20. January 18, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    We need to be saved because we are rebellious sinners, because we not only long to be the lord of our own life, but we have been living as if we are the lord of our own life. We need to be saved because we have made ourselves the enemies of God. We need to be saved because we are alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in us, because of the blindness of our heart. We need to be saved because we are dead in trespasses and sins.

    Unbelief is not the result of a lack of information. Unbelief is not the result of confussion. Unbelief is not the result of distraction. Unbelief is not the result of deception. Unbelief grows out of sinful hearts. Unbelief is the result of man’s rebellion against God. It is that rebellion that must be repented of, and no man can believe in God while he holds the truth in unrighteousness through the rebellion of his own heart.

    All the Jacks in the world of Hyles like to play these games with everybody, where it is, “see, we do believe in REPENTANCE.” Except for one thing. They don’t. They believe in a fingernail thin definition of repentance. Their definition is as narrow as a tightrope. It is not a Biblical definition of repentance. The Bible does not say that we need to repent of our unbelief. If we believe the Bible, if we believe on Jesus Christ, then we will see ourselves as vile and wretched, as filthy worms. We will see just how abominable we are, and we will repent. And if we will not repent of the real sins that we have committed, and of the fact that we are real sinners, then we don’t believe in Jesus Christ. If we will not repent, we will be damned.

    Now, Jack R, since you agree with us on this, why don’t you answer some very simple questions:

    1) Do you believe that repentance as we have defined it – our insistence that one must repent of the sins that caused his unbelief in order to be saved – is the enemy of soul winning?

    2) Do you believe that a man can be saved who is unrepentant about the fact that he is sinful, that he sins, and that he is a sinner?

    3) Will you verify your agreement with our position on repentance? A simple statement will do… one like this: “I believe that no man will be saved who does not repent of his sins.”

    4) If you in fact agree with this (Biblical) position on repentance, then why do you stand for Hyles? Hyles teaches the opposite.

  21. Zo
    January 22, 2008 at 7:09 am

    Jack R.,
    What is your definition of Repentance?

    There are many that say they believe, but their lives dont show it. You may know many around you that make professions of belief (faith). Some well known people that have made professions are Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears among other celebrities. Of course we cant see the heart but we can observe their lives. So since many have said they believe, then they have no unbelief to repent of, so they must be saved believers.

    The bible warns of professing belief that is shallaw and fruitless, it calls this a demonic belief.

    James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    The devils believe in God, they have seen many of His mighty works, they know He is Soverign and Omnipotent, they know that Jesus is the Holy Son of God who paid for the sins of the world, they know their future, they know all of this and tremble. Which is alot more than most people know and do. Alot of people have the head knowledge of God, Jesus, the Cross, the sinners prayer, etc. They say they believe, but live just as rebellious as the rest of the unbelieving world.

    Could it be that they have head knowledge and not heart knowledge?

    Could it be that they give mental assent to certain facts about Christ but have never been born again and regenerated?

    Could it be that they mentally believe now (repented of unbelief) but still love their sin because they never repented of their sins?

    You see the difference Jack? A person can say they believe, but if their life shows not one ounce of change after meeting the All Soveriegn, Powerful, Mighty Life Changing God, then thats is all it is….just a profession of belief.

    True genuine salvation comes from a sincere repentant faith, not just an empty mental assenting faith. God regenerates the heart of those repent of their evils against God and place their entire trust in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Unbelief is just one of the many sins to be repented of, but to say it is the only sin to be repented of is to not cleary understand how wickedly sinful our heart is, how Holy our God is and how desperately in need we are for the saving power of Christ.
    We need to call people to repent completely……of their unrepentant unbelief and their unrepentant sins.

  22. January 22, 2008 at 7:41 am

    There are many many things that we repent of when we repent, many weighty things, just like unbelief. In a sense, unbelief is the root of all sin. However, we could just as well say that pride is really the root of all sin, or selfishness, or rebellion. All of these need to be repented of. All of these then are legitimate things to repent of at the moment of salvation. It seems to me that is many of the Bible examples of salvation there is one driving sin that brings home to the sinner their complete sinfulness and need to be saved. At that moment they repent of that particular sin as well as their complete sinfulness or nature. In John 4, the woman at the well is brought under conviction for adultery. In Luke 18, the rich young ruler was brought under conviction of his greed. Any Hylesite would have lead that guy in a prayer to be saved. But Jesus did not. He led him to deal and repent of the critical or focal sin that was consuming him and blinding him. A wise soulwinner will try to pinpoint that spot in a lost person with the help of the law. This lack of sensitivity to repentance in the Hyles methodology of soulwinning is proof that they do not believe in Bible repentance.

  23. Jack R.
    January 28, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Repentance: Greek wd. METANOEO (to think differently or afterwards, that is, to change the mind.)

    I have been saved for many years. My walk with God began a very long time ago. I still remember to this day kneeling in front of my parent’s bed, confessing of my sins, and trusting in Christ to save me. Did I repent? Yes! I believe that faith and repentance are nearly the same; they are not two separate decisions. One cannot come to Christ without repenting (changing his mind). Here is where I disagree with you–Turning away from my SINS, and holding on to them, as you say. You don’t get better to get saved; you get saved to get better. I was not saved by doing anything; I was saved by trusting in what Jesus had already done!

    The Bible clearly teaches salvation by grace through faith.

    Eph. 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
    Romans 11:6 “And if by grace, then is it no more works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”
    Romans 5:1 “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    There are only two schemes of salvation that are taught by all religions. One is that man saves himself; the other is that God saves man. According to the Gospel of John the plan of salvation is mentioned more often and more clearly than anywhere else in the Bible. Its main emphasis is BELIEVE. The only condition of eternal life is BELIEVING in Jesus. Repentance is NOT mentioned once. It is salvation by grace through faith. PERIOD! Our faith, our trust, our dependence must be in the Lord Jesus Christ. We cannot trust our good works or anything else. Just Christ and Him alone for salvation. When Jesus died on the cross, He said, “It is finished.” (John 19:30), which means that salvation was paid in full. Nothing can be added or taken away from it. If even one passage in Scripture clearly shows that a person is saved by faith alone, apart from turning from sins (and many do), then we can be sure that faith is the only requirement, since Scripture is without error and doesn’t contradict itself.

    Romans 2:16 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

    Faith alone is sufficient for Christ. How can justification be by faith alone if “abandonment of sin” is also required? God does not say, “I offered salvation through the ultimate sacrifice, so you guys owe me!” Why add to the Scriptures Jackhammer???

    So what does the Scripture say about those who corrupt the gospel?
    Galatians 1:8-9 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

    Comment to Don:

    Jesus didn’t tell the woman at the well in John 4, that she needed to be sorry for her sins, or that she needed to resolve to give them up. Nor did John indicate that she was sorry, or that she determined to turn away from her sins. About the rich young ruler—-What about the rich young ruler??? Jesus wasn’t implying that salvation can be earned by good deeds! Even if he would have given away all of his riches, he still couldn’t earn his way to Heaven!

    Comment to Gordy:

    Huh??? What are you talking about? Who gets saved not realizing he is lost? Maybe your Jackhammers can help you with that question.

    John 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

    If repent means “to turn” from sin, than we have God turning from sin. Of the 46 O.T. verses that relate to the word “repentance”, 37 times God does the repenting. Does God sin, Gordy? If it means “a change of mind” or “to think differently”, than that would sound more consistent.

  24. Jack R.
    January 28, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    (Dr. Jack Hyles, sermon “The Goodness of God leadeth Thee to Repentance” National Bus Conference, Walkertown, North Carolina, January 2000)

    “You hear me and hear me well. Nobody will ever get to heaven until he realizes that he is a sinner. I’m afraid our soul winning has become a little shallow.

    “Would you let Jesus come into your heart?”
    “Yes, I will.”
    “O.K., mark it up.

    That’s not enough! Nobody – -listen – – nobody will ever walk the streets of gold, nobody will ever fellowship with angels, nobody will see the face of Christ unless he has realized that he is a sinner, unless he has realized he is under the condemnation of a holy and righteous God, unless he sees God as He is and sees himself as he is, and he falls to his face and says woe is me, I am a sinner! I say let’s let them know they are sinners because no man can go to heaven unless he knows what he is to be saved from. No one will ever be in heaven unless he comes to the presence of the holiness of Almighty God. . . . I’m interested in how many people get born again because they realized they were sinners under the condemnation of God, and that God became flesh and came and lived a perfect life, and went to Calvary and paid the penalty for our sins.
    J.H.

    *THIS IS WHY thousands flock to FBC. This is why thousands of IFB pastors come together for PASTOR SCHOOL. This is why thousands of our nations youth, gather for YOUTH CONFERENCE. This is why thousands go to Hyles-Anderson College. This is why thousands are serving Christ today.*

    Go ahead Jackhammer, slam away! Say it’s all about numbers and not souls! Go ahead Jackhammer, say that it is all about contests! Say that Dr. Jack Hyles only cared about himself! Have at it! I’m through with your deceitful site! Never, never, have I heard such pastors act this way before! Is this a product of YOUR college?

    I am saved and in the ministry today because of Dr. Hyles. I am thankful and grateful to have been a part of his ministry. He was the most unselfish and caring person I have ever met. He lived his life for the cause of Christ.

  25. Bobby
    January 28, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Jack R.,

    Actins speak louder than words.

    Even a child is known by his doings. If that is true, and it is, then how much more is a grown man and a preacher known by his doings?

    Hyles doings, and the deeds of his followers reveal the truth about what he and they believed. They have perfected the practice of making people “two-fold more the child of hell.”

  26. January 29, 2008 at 12:01 am

    People have to know they are sinners. Great. I’m happy about that teaching. Roman Catholics teach that. They teach that all men are born sinners.

    We don’t understand a word by breaking it down in its parts, so “repentance” is more than just a change of mind. Plenty of people have changed their mind about Christ. The word means “to turn from,” “to be converted,” “to show remorse for,” and “to change one’s mind.” That is according to BDAG, the lexicon. Thayer says, “to amend with abhorrence for one’s sins.” Louw/Nida write: “to change one’s way of life as the result of a complete change of thought and attitude with regard to sin and righteousness.”

    And then you argue that repentance is a work. It’s not true, which we’ve shown over and over from Scripture. Acts 11:18, “When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

    Defending Hyles because you were “saved under his ‘ministry,'” doesn’t cut it either. I’ve met people “saved” under Billy Graham’s “ministry” and under Oral Roberts’ “ministry,” and on and on. Everything should be tested by God’s Word, and that is where Jack Hyles gets in trouble.

  27. Zo
    January 29, 2008 at 7:57 am

    Jack R.,
    You are right about a couple of things.
    Repentance is “a change of mind”. However, a genuine change of mind results in a change of conduct. People cant see your mind if it changed, however they can observe your actions afterward. A wife beater may say he has now had a change of mind about beating his wife, but if he continues to beat her, its obvious there was no change of mind, or if there was, it was not genuine, sincere or permanent. A genuine change of mind will result in more than just lip service, it will lead to a change in conduct.
    In regards to salvation, an unbelieving sinner needs to have a change on mind about who God is (His Holiness and Justice), who they are (their sinfull wretchedness), what path they have been on (enemies and haters of God, living as their own self serving Gods) and who can save them from the pleasure, penalty, power and presence of sin (Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior).
    If there truly is a change of mind accompanied with saving faith, as Christ requires, then they will be regenerated and born again, and it will be evident in a changed life. The change in conduct alone does not save (that’s self reformation) but the change in conduct is evident of a true conversion. When God does grant repentance it is not merely as a change in mind about certain facts, but it is accompanied with the realization that God will make you a new creature and will begin to sanctify you and conform you to the image of His Son. You will begin to love the things He loves and hate the things He hates.
    This definition of repentance also applies to God. When God repents He has a change of mind that results in a change of action. He changed his mind about destroying the Israelites at the base of Mt Sinai when Moses mediated on their behalf and thus God changed His action, and didnt destroy them. And as you know there are many other examples of God changing his mind and then changing his action. And many of those examples are in response to man changing his mind and his action first. The repentance of God also shows that He does have emotions, just as we do. He is not an unfeeling machine.
    You are also right about people needing to recognize that they are sinners. But it is MUCH MORE than that. Satan knows that He is a sinner, and he is mighty proud of the fact that he is the greatest sinner in this universe. Satans’ demons know that they are sinners, and they love they work that they do. Many people know that they are sinners and many people love their sin. The question is not merely do you know that you are a sinner. But now that the you have heard the gospel, do you realize that you are wicked and vile before the eyes of God, do you now get a sense of Gods hatred for sin, are you now beginning to hate the sin that has enslaved you, do you know hate it enough to be willing to turn from it, do you now see your desperate need for a Savior?
    Genunive Salvation of the Lord is much more than just a mere mental assent to a few facts and a repeated prayer just to get hell insurance and return to the vomit of your sinful life before your supposed encounter with God. What a greedy slap in the face to the Great Salvation that was purchased by the Holy Sinless Blood of Christ.

  28. Zo
    January 29, 2008 at 8:39 am

    I just want to clarify something. Of course God does not repent of sin, because He is Holy and sinless. Gods repentance is in regards to Gods judgement of sinners and feelings towards sinners. Mans repentance is in regards to mans view, practice and love of sin.

  29. Natalie B.
    March 13, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    The pastor at my church is a graduate of Hyles-Anderson college, and some of the things he’s said in his sermons sound exactly like some of the things Hyles and his lackeys have said… I am seriously considering leaving my church because I just disagree with too many things said at my church…

    ( http://www.hopewellbc.com is the website of my church)

  30. March 13, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Excellent comments everyone! I went to a Pastor’s School back in the late 80’s. I feel qualified to comment here. J.H. paraded around 3 or 4 hundred little bus kids across the platform to show off his last weeks conversions. He bragged there were all converts to Christ. “Even if half were saved, I still had more than you”, he boasted. I can’t help to think about the other half. Many will go onto hell two-fold the children of the devil because some well meaning altar working led them in a 1,2,3 believe on me easy prayer. That is what this type of evangelism produces- religious hell bound independent Baptists. Careful we do not usurp the power and authority of the Holy Spirit in our soul winning efforts.

    http://jude3kjb.blogspot.com

  31. March 13, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Thanks for the comments here. Where do you live Natalie B? What you describe is too bad, Randy.

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