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Hyles: Supernatural and Spiritual Fraud

October 24, 2007

God’s holiness separates Him from all that is common and profane (Isaiah 6).  He remains alone non-contingent (Ex 3:14), without variableness nor shadow of turning (James 1:17). God by nature works outside natural bounds, so He also saves beyond the natural.    Jesus made this point in John 3:3 when He told Nicodemus:

Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

“Born again” translates two Greek words—gennao anothen—literally “born from above.”   Jesus also describes this as being “born of the Spirit” (Jn 3:6).  God performs man’s conversion alone.  The Gospel isn’t a technique, but “the power of God unto salvation” (Rom 1:16).  Church growth isn’t a strategy, but God giving the increase (1 Cor. 3:6).  Christ builds the church (Matt. 16:18) and we shouldn’t want to get in the way of that.  The best we can produce are human, temporal results.

The Power of God

During Hyles’ lifetime, he often spoke of the power of God.  One of his more famous speeches he titled Fresh Oil, taken from the last part of Psalm 92:10,  “I shall be anointed with fresh oil.”  He said that after experiencing no numerical results for one year at a little church he was pastoring, he began praying intensely for the power of God and told God that he would sacrifice anything for it.  At that time, his dad dropped over dead and after the burial, Hyles claimed to have laid on his dad’s grave for hours, maybe weeks, having lost all track of time.  Having gotten up from there, he reported that he never saw a week go by that he didn’t see a person converted.  In many messages, he said the same kind of thing, that despite his not being sinlessly perfect, his great results came from the power of God.  Others all over the country hungered for the same power as Hyles had so that they too could have the same consequences in their ministries.  In most cases, after Hyles spoke, the front and aisles of any building would be filled with almost everyone in the auditorium, who wanted the same thing in their lives that he had.

Whether you believe in the Hyles’ view of the fulness of the Spirit or of the outpouring of the Spirit or not (which I don’t), was the work in Hammond supernatural and did it come from the power of God?

Hyles talked about the power of God in his life and on his ministry.  He said that his work became a success after he had this supernatural experience and received the power of God.   The story he told makes him look as though he paid an incredible price to get it.

Night after night I would walk through the pine thickets of east Texas, up and down the sand hills, begging God for His power. If you had driven down Highway 43 outside Marshall, Texas, on the way to Henderson, Texas, in the wee hours of the morning, you could have heard me praying, “Where is the Lord God of Elijah?” and begging God to give me power.  I was losing weight. I couldn’t eat. What I did eat came back up! My family was worried about me.  My deacons got together and said to me, “Pastor, you’ve got to take care of yourself. You are going to get bad sick.” . . . .  We prayed from 1:00 until 2:00; from 2:00 until 3:00; from 3:00 until 4:00; from 4:00 until 5:00 and sometime between 5:00 and 6:00 in the morning the sweet power of God settled upon us, and I knew that God had given me some fresh power, some fresh oil.

The message to you and me is that we too could have what he had only if we were willing to sacrifice like he did.  The key here is:  like he did.  Jack Hyles wanted it more than anyone.  He sacrificed till he was sick.  Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but the story is about him.  We don’t have what he had because we didn’t have the desire that he had for the power of God.  If we did, we could have it too, and we would have the results too.

The Programs of Hyles

We don’t see this hoop-jumping to get God’s power in Scripture anywhere, except possibly the priests of Baal, but they weren’t worshiping God when they cut themselves, danced, and screamed.  Not-in-Scripture is enough to reject it.  What is ironic, however, and tell-tale is that the very Hyles that says it is the “power of God” that caused what happened was also the one that produced the huge manual of success methodology called The Hyles Church Manual.  What we came to find with Hyles was that the power of God was not what brought the people into First Baptist in Hammond.  Between his Let’s Go Soulwinning tapes and booklet and his Church Manual and then reinforced annually at his pastor’s school, we found that his own methods (Hylesology), ones not found anywhere in Scripture, were what brought the numeric success and the “professions of faith” at Hammond.  These are what people mimicked everywhere to produce the phenomena of the “Hyles’ Church.”

Hyles laid out in incredible detail the way the church grows.  It grows by means of the little talk someone does in persuading someone to pray the “sinner’s prayer.”  It grows by means of the method of getting those people who prayed the prayer into the baptistry.  It grows by means of the programs, promotions, and rewards.  In his church manual, written in 1968, he showed how he kept the people coming.   Here’s my synopsis that really is just a sampling of what Hyles did:

We don’t do anything on the natural high days like Easter and Christmas.  We must plan something special on the natural low days like Memorial Day weekend.   For the summer, a natural low period, we must keep them coming through numerous special Sundays, like Carry-the-Load Sunday.   We plan for a special holiday and give some material thing that day to get them to come.   We plan special seasonal days through the year, like Back-to-School Sunday, and give something out on those days.  We plan days for special activities.  We have a ten week fall push and a ten week spring push.  We have departmental and class contests.  We give away big prizes and many prizes to the workers who are winners.   We have four special colossal days a year that are even the biggest pushes of the year.  We have teacher’s meetings to scold and reward them for the numbers of people who come.  We have bus contests, giving prizes to those who have the best bus attendance.  We give gifts to bus riders.

Hyles also told how to advertise in the papers, on television, and over the radio, what kind of flyers to make and use, as well as everything from how to paint the busses to how to design and decorate the auditorium.  Everything was engineered to facilitate a kind of psychological and emotional impact on a person, and as it is described, not a spiritual one.  Hyles’ entertaining brand of speaking, the kind of Sunday School presentation, the upbeat congregational and special music; everything was created to keep someone coming back for the very reasons why those techniques were used.

The Contradiction

Does this sound like someone who trusted in the power of God?  If someone was trusting in the power of God, why would he think that he needed any of these strategies and conditions to produce results?  Isn’t the power of God greater than any of these?  If God were to get the glory from something produced by His power, in contrast what would happen from all these things that were caused by Hyles?  If Jesus through the Holy Spirit was the big draw of First Baptist of Hammond, why would any of these gimmicks and techniques be necessary?

Of course, the power of God was not the basis of the Hyles’ numbers and success.  The power of God also produces purity.   The proliferation of personal and family corruption and the power of God couldn’t be operating simultaneously.  The power of God doesn’t cause something centered on man but on God.  The power of God doesn’t give explanations of Scripture that defy the plain, grammatical-historical, and historic meaning.  The power of God doesn’t depend on all these strategies and techniques.

Hyles related the power of God to his successes, providing a cover for man-made maneuvering and blaming God for his gimmicks.  By doing so, he led many into a false view of spirituality.  The numbers became the best test for spirituality, therefore, authenticating all of the Hyles’ methods.  God was responsible—responsible for shallow, psychological preaching, worldly promotions, fleshly manipulation, and twisting of Scripture.   All of this caused a massive lack of discernment.   The Hyles followers were led to believe that they had no ability or right to judge someone so “used of God” as he was.  If you questioned, you must be wrong, because God’s power was more evident with Hyles than it was with you.

Hyles hype went from one high to the next, consummating with the once-a-year pastor’s school, in which Hyles showed-off everything that he did.  In the end, it wasn’t the power of God that caused the growth there at Hammond, but how hard Hyles and his followers worked their programs, how well they performed them, and how slick they promoted them.   Hyles was very proficient at what he did, better than any others whose conscience would allow them to operate like him.  Their successes perpetuated themselves by means of the self-promoting marketing done through their spectacular multimedia.

Jack Hyles mastered and then reproduced a means in which he could tap into a few natural motivators to get men to work for him:  fear, pride, and greed.  Men naturally fear being a failure and they know that success is judged by numbers.  When men followed Hyles or used his patterns to operate, Hyles rewarded them with recognition of all different types.  Often his pastor’s school was a vehicle to get it done, but some of it came because Hyles sheer notoriety.  If he said you were an up-and-comer, you now were one.  Hyles brought with him a kind of power, but it wasn’t God’s.  It was political power in his own growing circle.  He could make you or break you.   In a large way, you could make the line-up for a conference and the potential remuneration.  On a lesser level, you could get a new suit, your name on a plaque, or an honorary doctorate.  Or you could lose all that, and go to the dark side of the moon in the Hyles orbit.

None of this was about the power of God, but about Jack Hyles.  None of it was about the glory of God, but about Jack Hyles.  Even if Jack Hyles said it was about God, God knew that it wasn’t.

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  1. Joel Gluck
    October 24, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    You have stooped lower than low in an attempt to destroy Dr. Hyles reputation and his ministry. Dr. Hyles was a godly and decent man who preached the truth. He didn’t like negativity in people and tried to teach his people not to be critics and gossipers because such vices hurt and injure people. He was not perfect nor did he claim to be, but he sure can put most of us to shame when it comes to serving Christ. This wonderful man had a drive that so many of us lack. He devoted his life to the cause of Christ. Those of us who knew him, knew his heart and his desire for this lost and sinful world. You are slanderous individuals who dig and prod for anything to attack this deceased Pastor! Can’t you find anything better to talk about??? How about the Word of God? The Book is large enough for you to find something in it. It may help you sleep better at night.

  2. October 24, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    Joel,

    Jack Hyles is dead, but his books and his followers and supporters are all over. If the Hyles’ way had ceased, we would have nothing to say about him. If you notice what is written, it isn’t Hyles himself that we’re going after—if we wanted to, there is plenty of material. That would make no difference. What makes a difference is the way that he taught people and churches to be. Hyles tried to influence many people to be like him. He wasn’t minding his own business by any means, and he was critical and negative regularly of people that were not like him. For instance, if you said you preached expositionally, Hyles said you were dealing with the Bible like a math book. When he said that, I wouldn’t think that he was stooping low to try to destroy me or other expositors. I would say that he is wrong and needs correction. I’m sure he wasn’t negative about his friends and supporters, which they appreciated. What you ought to do Joel is to consider what is being said, as to whether it is true. By the way, for me to be slanderous, what I wrote would have to be untrue. It is true. I know that. All of what I have written, I have taken from what he wrote and what he said. What have I said that is untrue? It really isn’t about Jack Hyles, but about the Word of God and about the glory of God.

    I didn’t know Jack Hyles personally. I heard him speak about 40-50 times. I spoke to him personally three or four times. I’m certainly not attempting to destroy his ministry. If people read this, it could help them, however. I would like to destroy the way that both Hyles and Schaap and others do ministry. If I am destroying his reputation, then he is responsible because I’m only reporting what he said and evaluating it Scripturally. I recognize he had a drive. Many people have had a drive. A lot of people claim to have a drive for the lost and sinful world. Rick Warren would be one. Billy Graham another. Benny Hinn too. And Oral Roberts while he was alive. I’d be happy to be corrected on anything that I have written, if it is wrong. Thanks for visiting Joel.

  3. October 24, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    You are right, there are many things in this wonderful Bible to talk about.

    For example: Repentance, godly living, the true Gospel, the Law condemning the sinner before grace saves him, the fear of God, etc.

    Oh, that’s right. Those are also subjects that Hyles did not believe were true and right.

    Oh well…

  4. Gary Johnson
    October 24, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Lets just put it out plain for some of the reader to get. Jack Hyles’ main care was about numbers.

    The apostle Paul made the comment which fits him and his followers well, “supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”

    Joel writes, “You are slanderous individuals who dig and prod for anything to attack this deceased Pastor! Can’t you find anything better to talk about???”

    Well throughout the Bible there are warnings about men who are dangerous in their practice and doctrine. We are commanded to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” Just because a man takes the title of Baptist preacher, does not mean he is above our scrutiny of his words and deeds. There is good reason that many titled him “the pope of Hammond”. Just so you don’t think some of us are being unfair to critique him now that he is dead, I warned against him while he was alive. I have done so for 17 years in the ministry, and would warn the members of the church I pastor to stay away from any that hold to his methods and doctrine.

    Keep hammering Bro. Brandenburg. I am waiting yet to see if any of his followers will address the issues being dealt with. I may be waiting for quite a long time.

  5. Joel Gluck
    October 24, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    It is so nice to know that you were not attacking Dr. Hyles.
    Cough! Cough!

    So, if you put Dr. Hyles out there as a “Spiritual Fraud”, what are your comments on other great men of God like Lester Roloff, Bill Rice, Bob Jones Sr., Dr. Lee Roberson, and Tom Malone? Not only did they PREACH and TEACH the same method of salvation, they were also close, personal friends and admirers of him. They had occasionally spoke in his church. Are they also heretics, or is there an exception because they are not from the ministry of FBC?

    By the way, I am not naive to believe that there are some FBC members who worship the man –Dr. Hyles or Schapp– (small majority and due to its large size), however, I do believe that there is over 20,000 members on an average Sunday who do come to worship Jesus Christ. That is what I went there for. And Yes, I am saved!

    Comment to Pastor Dunham,
    You obviously did not KNOW Dr. Hyles. For if you did, you would not make such a ridiculous comment.
    *Polute this whatever way you want if it makes you feel better.*

  6. Bobby
    October 24, 2007 at 8:52 pm

    If we are only allowed to Scripturally test the teachings and practices of men who are alive, then we’d better not deal with Joseph Smith (founder of Mormons), L. Ron Hubbard (founder of Scientology), John Calvin, Balaam, Judas Iscariot, Diotrephes, Alexander the Coppersmith, and a few others. Remember, they are dead, and by the logic of some, if a man is dead you are not allowed to speak negatively of him. I guess the writers of the Gospels did not know this for they dealt with the folly’s of Judas after he was dead!

    The followers of Hyles should answer the facts and stop reacting based on emotions.

    The writers at Jack Hammer do not have to make things up. Anyone can get Hyles’ books and sermons for themselves and if they know the Bible they will see the difference between Hylesology and the Truth.

    Folks, really, obey the Bible command and “prove all things” with the Scriptures. That is what Baptists have historically done. The Hyles followers claim to be Baptists. Well, it is time for them to show that they are by letting the Bible be the authority on these matters.

  7. October 25, 2007 at 8:59 am

    Joel,

    I polluted nothing. I simply stated the doctrines that are precious that have been maligned by Jack Hyles and Hylots. Heed what Brother Bobby said, and “prove all things” before you make ridiculous statments.

    I have never met Joel Osteen either, but he preaches another gospel. His church is even bigger than FBC Hammond.

  8. October 25, 2007 at 11:10 am

    Joel,

    I’m judging Hyles teachings and methods Scripturally. And you don’t like that. I like that for myself. I’m open for judgment. Why is it that Hyles didn’t want his work to be proven by Scripture? You are right that I am attacking Hyles, that is, his teachings and methods, but I am not going after him personally. I’m not talking about the mistress issue, his son, cover-ups, etc. I said: “it isn’t Hyles himself that we’re going after—if we wanted to, there is plenty of material.”

    Now back to the point. Do you agree that the power of God needs the gimmicks, hype, and programs like Hyles offered? Where are they in Scripture? Where does the Bible teach that we have to pay for Holy Spirit power, essentially sanctification by works? Where in Scripture do we see the outpouring of the Spirit to be an ongoing experience? How are repentance, Lordship, and worship the enemies of evangelism like Hyles taught? Where in Scripture do we have salvation and baptism statistics separated like Hyles did? How many saved people in Scripture do not become church members? In Scripture, is worship only an individual activity?

    These among others are the issues I dealt with, Joel. If you are not drinking the kool-aid, then you’ll have some answers.

  9. Cathy
    October 25, 2007 at 11:30 am

    Pastor Brandenburg, are you against gimincks altogether? Is it sin to give a child a piece of candy or a hamburger to come to church to hear the Gospel?

  10. PEEP
    October 27, 2007 at 6:12 pm

    Ok, maybe a post or two about Hyles is informative, or whatever… But when ya come to a blog, and EVERY SINGLE POST is criticizing the same person… Well, basically it gets old: fast….. Y’all got anything else to talk about besides Jack Hyles and crew?

  11. October 27, 2007 at 6:15 pm

    PEEP,

    Wow, do you not know how this blog site works? The moderators pick a subject and write articles about it for a month. Have you read the archived blogs? There are a lot of things that have nothing to do with Hyles there.

  12. October 27, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Peep, guess what? If this blog got old fast and lost your interest, what is your point? You have a choice to read here or not. The Blog writers choose the content. Don’t gripe about their choice when you can read others blogs if you so choose…

  13. PEEP
    October 28, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    Art,
    Ahh, I get it now… October is “Attack Hyles Month…” Sorry, I did not know that the mods operated that way.

    Jerry,
    I LOVE your Christ-like grace…

  14. October 28, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    Peep,

    You should come with something more substantive than what you are offering. Is what we are saying true or not? If it is true, and there are thousands being deceived, then it is necessary. Jack Hyles has a couple of dozen books at least and then many more tapes. They need to be addressed. We did, and in about seven or eight posts total for the month. We barely touched the tip of the ice berg with what could have been said.

  15. Stephanie
    December 27, 2007 at 10:19 am

    I am not going to defend Jack Hyles, his leagacy lives on. The legacy is of his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Everything he did was to point people to the saving knowledge of Christ and to edify the saints. If you seen someone in a burning house you would do everything in your power to help them get out. That is exactly why Christians are left on this earth to point people to the Lord. SO if you inspire people to come with a hamburger,hot dog or what ever is that a sin? No I don’t think so. But Christians will stand before the Lord one day not to see if we are His children but to give an account for what we did with our lives after we became His child. By the way everything that I am writing is in the Bible.

  16. Gary Johnson
    December 27, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    Stephanie wrote

    “By the way everything that I am writing is in the Bible.”

    Maybe I missed it, but do give that book, chapter, and verse for the hot dog and hamburger evangelism please.

  17. Don Heinz
    December 27, 2007 at 5:09 pm

    An answer to whether Hylesology should be discussed on this blog, which is aimed at serious Bible students, including seminary and Bible college students, is a question. The question is, do Bible college and seminary students study “soulwinning”? And, who’s book on soulwinning do they study? I went to Bible college when Kent was SAD, and we used “Let’s Go Soulwinning” by none other than Jack Hyles himself. Then after graduating and entering ministry I found out that his book was suggested reading in MANY Bible colleges. What does that tell you? He is looked at as an authority. However, this authority is extremely suspect when one of his chapters in a “sequel” to this text is written to state that repentance for salvation is a false doctrine. Now he has stepped out of the Scripture and created a doctrine that is manmade and must be called Hylesology, because it is not theology. This step demands an answer.

    The simple answer is, the Bible teaches repentance for salvation. He commands all men everywhere to repent in Acts 17:30 because according to verse 31 this will save them in the day of judgment.

  18. Don Heinz
    December 27, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    Here’s the answer to the hotdog and hamburger evangelism. Jesus did it, in a sense, and reveals to us the result…

    Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. (Joh 6:26-27)

    From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. (Joh 6:66)

    It is not wrong to offer food at a church for members or visitors. But Jesus warns us that we need to have some wisdom about how we do it. If we base our programs on it, we will have many people attending who have no spiritual interest that will never truly respond to the gospel.

    Now add to that a dumbed-down gospel of only-believe, no-repentance-necessary salvation, and you get the perfect mix for a church full of lost church members.

  19. December 27, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    Good comments, Don. Nice seeing you here. Hope you are well in Chile.

  20. December 28, 2007 at 3:24 am

    Thanks, Kent. We are well. And we wish all those hammering here a Fruitful New Year.

  21. Jeremiah Smith
    January 22, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    I’m with everyone who says that promotion through food and prizes is ok. What the slanderers of Bro. Hyles are failing to realize is that the Bible says that we are born sinful and these “gimmicks” are used to get people in the door, when they would never think of coming in the first place. And also, Bro. Hyles was not the one to start programs where they gave things away to those who came. D.L. Moody was one of the first to start this. So what problems do you have with him?

    Also, just because Bro. Hyles used a “sinner’s prayer” does not mean that he did not emphasize the fact they had to believe what they were praying. This was in his teachings.

    Last of all, I have a question for Kent Brandenburg. I wondering how you got this information in the first place. Did you get this first hand or did you here from someplace else? If you got it first hand, then I wouldn’t be surprised if you had gone to First Baptist and disagreed with what Bro. Hyles said, so you went out to tear down his name with lies. If second hand, then I can’t believe a Christian would take gossip like that and tear down a man of God. As interpreters of the Bible that have been CALLED BY GOD, we respect what they say.

  22. January 22, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Jeremiah,

    Thanks for visiting. I like your name. I’ve preached through book of Jeremiah, and I think he would be someone more worthy for you to emulate.

    Of course, we’re all here to please and glorify God, so we prove all things, test it with Scripture. And so we prove the teachings and methods of Jack Hyles.

    You say that they won’t get through the door except with gimmicks, but yet when they get there, they will want to turn from their way to follow Christ? If someone has this power that Jack Hyles claimed, why does anyone need a gimmick? He should just rely on the power. Does the power only work within the walls of a church auditorium? Jesus didn’t send us to manipulate people with carnal weaponry, but to preach the gospel (of which there is only one, and it includes repentance). The gospel actually has power to change someone, not a gimmick, but what you are saying is that the gimmick is more effective. This devalues the gospel. I don’t care who does it, D. L. Moody, or anyone else, that doesn’t justify it. We should be concerned as to whether Jesus and the apostles did it in the Gospels, Acts, and the Epistles.

    Not only does justification not come through a prayer, but even if one of his targets did actually “mean it,” it fell short of showing someone what was salvation. I would like to tear down what Hyles taught and did, because it isn’t Scriptural. And he should be exposed for those who might follow. He invented a new, counterfeit version of Christianity that would be the most help if it disappeared.

    It isn’t gossip, by the way, when someone reveals something someone wrote in a book, or heard publically, and then refutes it Scripturally.

    I hope the best for you Jeremiah. I hope you’ll consider what I ‘ve written.

    How did I get this information? I didn’t go to Hyles Anderson. However, I have read 6 or 7 of Hyles books. They actually aren’t too hard to read. If you are a reasonably good reader, you can finish most any one of them in an hour or two.

  23. January 27, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    I think what Kent Brandenburg is writing is that if you have the power of God that you do not need to go after people, they will come to you. Certainly the Apostles had this power (Pentacost, etc.), but the people did not come to them, even at Pentacost, they came for other reasons.
    The Bible says “go ye”. Go out after the lost and be sure to take the power of God with you. Shame on you if you don’t.
    I have proved this in my own life. But I only proved it to myself, no one else, nor do I have interests in everyone else’ approval. I too prayed for God to make me a soul winner for 18 months. Constant Prayer. I don’t think I paid a price like Jack Hyles did. I know for certain that I don’t have the power Jack Hyles had. But the Spirit of God has rested on me (that may not be the right phrasing, that is up to the Pharisees to figure out). Since 1979, I have seen many thousands (in the last few years, 1-2000 per year) make professions of faith at public events: Fairs, Festivals, Flea Markets, etc.
    I don’t know how many actually got saved, but everyone of them heard the Gospel and if their heart was open, they got the seed planted or watered, which is all any of us can do.
    People can argue about the semantics all they want. I am just telling you what happened and so far I don’t recognize any names in the list of submitters so far, so you are just going to have to take my word for it.
    Now, here is what I am trying to get to. None of these people sought me out. I had to go after them. I have used several kinds of “gimmicks” to get their attention and some of them have thanked us profusely for getting their attention or not taking an initial “NO”. I think, but must admit, not certain, that they are very glad that they at least were able to hear the Gospel by means of a “Gimmick” even though the word does not appear in the Bible, nor “Hot Dogs” nor for that matter, “Buses”.
    So according to some of you, I may not be “Scriptural”, at least “You” cannot find my methods in the Bible. To tell you the truth, I have never looked for them. But I am assured by the people with whom I talk and witness, that God is moving and saving. If you do not think that God is moving, then take it up with them.
    I am certain that He will reprimand me one day for all that I did wrong and should have done, but I prefer to hear it from Him and not the legal eagles who are trying to determine whether it is OK to heal on the Sabbath or not.
    Now I think it would be good to hear from all that have written so far as to how the Lord has used them to win dozens or even hundreds. Or if you have not the proof that the people you are talking to are getting saved, have you at least witnessed to a good number. In writing back, if you use vague words like “good number” we will be praying for you when you have to answer for you life.
    Some will undoubtedly relate about their call to “preaching to the choir” or discipling the disciples of others. I thank God for you, but think you ought to not join in the foray.
    Now here is the part some of you have been waiting for, so you can nash you teeth and pound your chests.
    I knew Jack Hyles. He could not ever call my name when he saw me, so it was not a personal relationship. I heard him preach over a 300 times, maybe much more. He made a lot of mistakes when compared to God. Not so many compared to Blog Commenters. He had the power of God in his sermons. How or why? I don’t know. I wished those making comments in this column had as much, including myself.
    As far as I can see, the worst part about Jack Hyles is not Jack Hyles, but his Fan Club. The only thing that exceeds his Fan Club is his detractors. I don’t know the hearts of either group, but your comments betray something. I will not put a label on it. A label would only give you focus for defending youself, which is not “Scriptural” as you well know.
    I do not defend what I am doing. I am just telling you what I do and how I do it and what God is doing about.
    Judge me if you like. Judge Jack Hyles if you like. You would do much better working on an easy target like me.
    Oh, I do not intend to ever read this blog again. So I will not be answering your answers, defending! Not that I am upset. It is because I have learned nothing, except “Do Nothing” and my lazy, sinful, lustful heart already has a graduate degree on the subject.
    Forgive me for writing so long a comment.
    AndresUSA.com

  24. January 27, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Andres,

    For someone that doesn’t need to defend himself, you’ve done quite a bit of defending here. I would characterize what you’ve written as a “drive-by.” I actually would hope that you could defend yourself, which would mean opening your Bible, but that would be if what you wrote was defensible, which it isn’t. What you have, like so many Hyles supporters are statistics and that’s it. You have mainly twisted Scripture, for which you ought to be ashamed.

    You should apologize for a comment of such length that makes reference to Jack Hyles numerous times, but to no verses of Scripture, with the exception of two words: “go ye.” And even that you got wrong.

    You wrote: “I think what Kent Brandenburg is writing is that if you have the power of God that you do not need to go after people, they will come to you.”

    I answer: I’ve written two posts on “going.” That is the point; however, that it is to go and preach, not gimmick and invite. If Hyles has this tremendous power, why does he need his program to get people to come to church. Isn’t the power of God a greater attraction than a small toy or candy? You demean God with your antics.

    Regarding the Holy Spirit resting on you, why did you need to pray for the Holy Spirit to come on you? When someone receives Christ the Person, the Third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, All of Him, indwells you (Rom. 8:13). That means that at the moment of salvation you already have the power of God. And what does the Holy Spirit do? He guides into Truth (John 16:13), and the Word of God is His sword (Eph. 6:17)—not stories and gimmicks. So I don’t believe you have this power of God any more than I believe that Charismatics have it when they claim their results and experiences. If you had the kind of power you claim, you wouldn’t need your elaborate program and gimmicks. And you say that you don’t need anyone to authenticate this “power” that you have. The Charismatics say the same thing, because they have this “experience” of second blessing. However, I reject your experience and your methods based on the authority of Scripture.

    By the way, praying a prayer at a fair doesn’t constitute salvation. Speaking of Pharisees, they prayed at the street corners, and that didn’t make them saved. Who doesn’t want to go to heaven? So if you get someone to pray a prayer in a booth with the guarantee that they’ll get there, it doesn’t surprise me at all that you get the numbers you get.

    Our church has visited every door in Rodeo, Pinole, Hercules, El Sobrante, San Pablo, and most of Richmond, California—some of these towns 4 or 5 times. We have also gone to most homes in El Cerrito, and preached to many in Berkeley. We have distributed tracts, evangelized, and street preached at public transportation, at Catholic sponsored abortion rallies, the San Francisco Gay Pride parade, and the Jehovah’s Witness Convention. We have gone and we have sown. So you can’t use the “we do more than you, so we’re better than you” claim.

    You should be concerned whether you are following Jesus Christ (1 John 2:1-5; John 10:27), and you should look at His methods, instead of doing what you like to do or feel like doing or what gives you the most of your kind of results and then you yourself approving because it “works,” that is, gets people to pray prayers. When you don’t follow Christ’s model, you are using carnal weaponry and disobeying God. In other words, you need to repent. And the people that you manipulate to pray with you will at best mimick your same unscriptural methodology. And at the same time you’ll proudly tell them, if you do as you have here, that you don’t know what Scripture teaches about methods, but you know just what has “worked” for you. I’s despicable.

    The just shall live by faith. I encourage you to do so.

  25. Jeremiah Smith
    January 30, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    For Kent Bradenhburg:

    Proverbs 26:4
    Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

    For Andres:
    Great comments. And I think that from your comments, you do live by faith. Keep serving the Lord.

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